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Posted on 05/26/2010 at 03:14:44 AM
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So I recently was approached by my team captain who I will be honest has helped me out about 3 or 4 times this past session. I will not list names or division for anonymity. However, I was on same team last session and paid pretty much every week. We made tier 2 championship and I wasnt able to show up because I was stuck somewhere else.
I guess my first question is should I receive the money my team received for making it that far??
I was under the impression that if you helped a team make it to that point you would get your share. If we had made it to other rounds when I wasnt there I would have understood not getting that money.
Secondly, when I was approached about the 30 dollars I owed my team captain, I simply brought up " I was just wondering, I never received the 25 dollars for tier 2 last session." I was going to go on to ask if we could apply that to what I owed but I never got the chance.
Am I in the wrong here and I thought every team did it the same way, Ive only been shooting 2 years and the teams Ive been on have all given the money to the team evenly before we even made it to the next round.
If some a team is going to do it differently should the captain not let everyone on the team know that they better show up for the playoffs?
"sometimes you gotta start high , sometimes you gotta start low"
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SniperShark
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 Posted 05/26/2010 : 5:54:50 PM
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I am simply asking peoples views on it I will not be mad either way lol I simply want some opinions???
"sometimes you gotta start high , sometimes you gotta start low" |
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Krazy8S
New Member
It's ok to lose to a 3 they just had a good night! |
Posted 05/26/2010 : 7:33:13 PM
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| Anything won by a team should be split evenly. If every player helped win then they should get their spare. Maybe you should play with a different captain. I had players not even show up at the and just quit be I still gave them their share. |
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Rufus
Average Member
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Posted 05/27/2010 : 11:09:01 AM
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While in general I would agree that the money should be split evenly with the team there are some exceptions to consider before making a decision.
Money won in the higher level tournaments aside from the initial amount given to all teams that show up is won/earned by the team that shows up to play.
I have captained teams in the past where people quit mid season or during tri-annauls or LVQ etc don't show up for the tourney even when we make it to the 2nd weekend of play. They might not have to play but if they don't bother to show up to support the team during the tourney I'm not sure if they deserve an equal cut of the money.
A lot would depend on the reason for me. If someone has to work then someone has to work. But if they would rather be fishing than playing in tri-annuals, LVQ etc. I think I'd have a different opinion.
I would discuss it with the team members that showed up to the tournament and vote on it. I think each case would have to be weighed on it's own merits.
I'm anxious to read others opinions on the issue.
Rufus
BCA Certified Pool Instructor |
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SniperShark
Starting Member
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Posted 05/27/2010 : 12:24:31 PM
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Well yeah I would agree we were in tier 2 last session and I showed up for everything except the playoff round because I was stuck on my way in traffic in DC
"sometimes you gotta start high , sometimes you gotta start low" |
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Lee Tiani
League Operator
Have Fun, Play Fair, Meet People, Play APA Pool! |
Posted 05/27/2010 : 2:12:56 PM
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... and ...
sometimes you're the bug;
sometimes you're the windshield
Have Fun, Play Fair, Meet People,
Play APA Pool!
Lee |
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chaos666
Junior Member
And You Think I Care..Why? |
Posted 05/27/2010 : 3:47:04 PM
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HMMMM!! that's not good at all, what's going on here?
really !!.....you show up all but once and didn't get your money,OMG!
OK check this out you captains out there who have loser syndrome or validation problem ,I DON'T GIVE A CRAP WHAT ANYBODY TELLS YOU, YOU ARE NOT A REAL CAPTAIN ,you don't pay people to follow your orders ,they pay the APA to play-not you! ,this is a pool league ,you are only captain because anyone can start a team ,if you keep someones money who shows up all the time ,then you are a lowlife thief-all money should be divided up evenly ,for the love of god what do you do but sign the envelope and count the money that the TEAM gave you for playing.
This league letting some captains get away with stuff like this,
really the rest of the team puts a hell of a lot more money into the league then the captain does ,if any team out there has this problem
fired your captain and move on ,for those of you who didn't know you can do that ,I also captain 4 teams and what I'm hearing makes my sick. |
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tholdrid
Starting Member
6 Posts
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Posted 05/27/2010 : 5:12:38 PM
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I agree with Rufus. It would depend on the situation and why the player didn't show. One of our players didn't show last time we were in Laurel because he had been out drinking the night before and didn't want to get up in the morning. If one of our players would have gone up a skill level during the tournament, then we would have had to forfeit because this guy didn't show. He was also hit or miss during the season as far as showing up to play. He didn't get any money and he's no longer on the team.
Terry
Captain of Toot's Ballers 07908, Co-captain X-pendables 07603 |
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suela
Starting Member
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Posted 05/28/2010 : 10:20:08 PM
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"Win as a team; lose as a team" is my team motto. I expect all regular-season money to be split evenly. However, if a player doesn't show at regionals (beyond the guaranteed $200), it's debatable. When we've played at Valley Forge, the money was only split amongst the players that showed up there, whether they played or not. Kinda like in playoffs; you still owe the $35 (+$15 for the packet) whether you play only 3 matches or 5....
suela
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dru
New Member
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Posted 07/08/2010 : 2:28:05 PM
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| The way we do it on my team is we take the amount made and divide by the amounts of wins each player had that session say you make 200 u have 7 ppl but one of those people didnt win a match all season, they dont get a cut. Of course this was agreed upon by the team at the beginning of the season...as far as you having wins that season and getting nothing I COMPLETELY disagree!!! |
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lou ref
Junior Member
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Posted 07/08/2010 : 3:29:47 PM
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That's interesting. I guess it would keep sandbaggers on their toes, no win no money. Did you ever find your teammates rooting against you at the end of the session trying to get a bigger cut.
LOU |
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dru
New Member
84 Posts
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Posted 07/09/2010 : 12:37:56 PM
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| IT does keep people from trying to sandbag and makes them work harder as well...and no, no one ever rooted against there own teammates...in all reality it actually came down pretty even at the end of the session except for one...11,10,10,9,9,9,7,0 |
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Rufus
Average Member
954 Posts
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Posted 07/09/2010 : 2:45:08 PM
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Dru, have any of the players complained due to the SL's of the people they were matched up with through out the season. I can think of several SL 2's and 3's who wouldn't be too happy with the money share by wins if they always are playing Sl 7 +.
Just curious,
Rufus
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Lee Tiani
League Operator
Have Fun, Play Fair, Meet People, Play APA Pool! |
Posted 07/09/2010 : 6:38:18 PM
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The APA League Office stays completly out of this discussion.
Each team has their own way of distributing any $ earned. This should be discussed among the team mates early in the Session - on or before week 2, so it is perfectly clear to everyone. Anyone not liking the method chosen, should get off the team and join another team, before week 4.
Our sole mission is to deliver the $ -- the rest is up to y'all.
Have Fun, Play Fair, Meet People, Play APA Pool! ... Lee |
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dru
New Member
84 Posts
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Posted 07/12/2010 : 08:34:15 AM
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Rufus,
No I generally give everyone as fair of a match up as I can, which is generally easy because my numbers are so diverse, 2,2,3,3,4,4,5,6...as for 7's&8's there generally isnt more than one per team around here and if so I play the higher one and my 5 has to step up and hes enjoys it |
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PeacemakerM36
Starting Member
12 Posts
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Posted 07/22/2010 : 7:31:29 PM
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| The way I looked at it since I am a also captain, if you are on the team during the entire season, whether you play or show up every other week, as long as you make your match limit to qualify for playoffs with the rest of the team (since not everyone can make it each week due to other commitments), then you will get an equal share of the regular session prize money, however if you don't make your match limit or you quit mid-stream or before the regular session ends, then I think you forfeit the right to collect on some of the bounty if so earned-- but I am also not that vain, but if you could not make it to the last week or two due to work or family emergency or other reasonable excuse and you still did not make your match limit, then of course I would still give you a portion of the money, it may be half, it may be more. I had (3) playoffs matches all on a Saturday for the final round of the playoffs, and I made every one of them. It took some scheduling and coordinating with my other captains to work out all the details of when I could play since two of the league matches started at 1pm and the last one started 5pm, but I got through it even though I probably drove an extra 50 miles to go back and forth to every venue, but if I can do it, anyone can. However, if the team goes to Triennials or a Tier 2 Championship barring some unforeseen or tragic event in a player's life, I put in my emails that if you want a share of the purse, the purse will only be split by the players who show up whether I decide to play you or not, otherwise what's the motivation to get everyone there and you may have only have two or three players actually show, only then to automatically forfeit the match and collect the minimum $150-200 prize, if everyone is expecting a share of the dinero. It's your responsibility to support your team, it's your responsibility to know and make your season match limit to go playoffs for each team you play on, and it's your responsibility to inform the captain if you are not going to make your limit with the pace you are going at throughout the season, and if you can't do that, then you should maybe look at other alternatives. |
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